Mustang Future

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With the S650 being heralded as the last of the V-8" ( mad max anyone)
Maybe the end of gas powered cars by 2028 and the discussion of
4 door Mustangs.

The question is, does this / will this tarnish the heritage of the Mustang?
Where does this leave the future of mustang?
Most here know how I feel about the electric 4 door, suv thingy

This could be a good conversation and getting everyone's opinion would be cool..
Is any mustang welcome here?:rolleyes: or , or, or ,or ???"
 
I met a Mach-E once this summer. Did not wave like I usually do. Somehow did not feel guilty either.... The Mach-e is NOT a Mustang. Full Stop.

I think this will be a good thread. I put some comments in Marc's Mach1 thread which may be better here on what appeals to me in the new model but waiting for the details in Sept. The benefits of the changes will be well debated.

I am OK with the actual Mustang having Plug in Hybrid. Not full EV yet as the infrastructure is not in place where I am. Still have not used the back seats for anything but Tim Horton cups. They can go anytime.

Maybe in 6-8 years there will be a EV conversion to ICE thread.
 
+1 on the Mach-E is not a Mustang, it's an Edge-E.

Still one of the biggest mis-steps in the history of the Mustang IMO, but as previously stated, it's all about the money and not the heritage.

Not the first time the suits have screwed things up ( Hey Ken, slow down so all three Ford's come across the line together.)

Based on the money thing, fair to say the Mustang will follow the same path with conversion to EV.

The Mustang barely made the cut as far as being the only car left in Ford's line up, wouldn't surprise me to see it ride off into the sunset.

That worked out really well for GM when the Camaro/Firebird ceased production in 2002......oh shit....wait.
 
I thought the Mustang brand went off course with the early Fox Body's -that 4-cyl gutless hatch is awful. While I am OK with an EV Mustang (the future is inevitable) going SUV with 4 doors is not following the brand IMO. Overall, I like the Mach-e, as a family sedan, but it's not a Mustang.

So, back to the initial question, will going full EV/Hybrid tarnish the heritage? No. Technology is what it is. Our Mustangs of today are technologically very far away from the OG Mustangs. But a 4-door SUV will certainly tarnish the feeling of owning a true sports car.

However, like the ugly hatch era of the Mustang, the brand will shed the extra doors and rise again... albeit away from gasoline.
 
The four cylinder gutless hatch was an attempt by Ford to broaden the appeal of the brand I think, and trying to stay in business with the gas crisis.

There are those people that like the Mustang for it's look, but simply view it as transportation with no idea of history. ( new GT500 owner anyone ?? )

Not every Mustang needed to be a fire breathing sports car, thats a bit of a niche market, as much as we'd like to argue different.

Same reason people buy Corollas and Camry's..... they like it, but it's just transportation and they don't care about horsepower or history.

The EV's will come regardless of what enthusiasts think, I don't think it matters to Ford how much chirping goes on about tarnishing the Mustang heritage. Technology yes, but money even more so.

I guess you could almost make the same argument when everyone got in a panic about carburetors being replaced by EFI, or vinyl being replaced by CD's. :ROFLMAO:
 
I'm ok with sub branding the name mustang to other vehicles. It's a name that will sell. I've been in a couple Mach-E''s and I have to admit i did like them . They are a nice roomy suv with the HP, tourque and handling to throw you back in your seat and keep a smile on your face. I just hope they keep the rear wheel drive mustang GT at the top of the food chain, remember the Ford probe was meant to be the new mustang?!. EV is coming whether we like it or not, so just hold on to what you have, cuz they will only grow in demand and price.
 
I hear the Plug in Hybrid is not happening in the next one and they will eventually just go EV. All in all, I am not against EV and I can see one eventually in the yard when the cost and infrastructure is right. Right now it just is not viable where I am. Insurance is way higher due to the replacement of the battery packs in an accident. Mach-e's are considered "disposable" from what I read where they do not repair them at $24,000 for a battery pack. Just a provide another car to you with a credit. Down where I am the charging stations are limited and why 9 different plugs? Need a bag of adapters. My house is from 1886 with a 100 amp panel so adding another 30/40 amp circuit is not happening unless I splice the stove or dryer which his not in my plans. For a Plug-in model I would have worked something out.

Going to be funny when there is a big storm power outage and after the lines are up 50,000 cars start charging at once.

The other thing I am watching is the idea where you buy the car and there may be a monthly fee to use features. Heated seats, performance options, even some safety features in some cars they tried to make pay as you go but got a huge backlash. BMW I think was the one. Then after a few years they disable them unless you subscribe. If you sell the vehicle the next owner needs to subscribe to enable them. I see pros and cons but if the vehicle has it from the factory and I do not pay for it I am still hauling it everywhere I go for no reason.

Looking in the crystal ball maybe there is a future with a 2 door keeping the Mustang appearance and not an SUV. I have seen quite a few renders and some are actually quite good and practical. Like this one as an EV looks decent.

At least there is time to review the launch in Sept and make some plans.

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Listened to a CBC story this am on the future of the muscle car….think all badges here…..Mopar, Chev & Mustang iterations….

Designer focus seems to be on retention of the ride, punch, seat & pedal response….along with the sound replication.

Future generations of auto customers who look at performance auto satisfaction are those with disposable income….not family haulers & grocery getters… have access to electrification performance currently. It’s at a price, but available. Mid 6 figure window stickers provide the above and have already achieved the performance packages most of us own, built and aspire to.

Mopar is on the way & todays clip included an audio file of the sound expression. Not the ice cream truck jingle, like electric transit busses….something Daimler designers have labeled the “banshee”.

I’m looking for the audio file but here’s a CNBC article with embedded video file along the same line.

www.cnbc.com

Motor City meets a new test in the EV transition: Keeping gearheads behind the wheel

The Detroit automakers are going to have to balance traditional muscle car performance with electrification to maintain their most loyal buyers and fans.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

We still have old relatives who live the best of the past in the vehicles owned & driven. I guess we’re turning into our parents and grandparents!
 
pei_guy said:
Listened to a CBC story this am on the future of the muscle car….think all badges here…..Mopar, Chev & Mustang iterations….

Designer focus seems to be on retention of the ride, punch, seat & pedal response….along with the sound replication.

Future generations of auto customers who look at performance auto satisfaction are those with disposable income….not family haulers & grocery getters… have access to electrification performance currently. It’s at a price, but available. Mid 6 figure window stickers provide the above and have already achieved the performance packages most of us own, built and aspire to.

Mopar is on the way & todays clip included an audio file of the sound expression. Not the ice cream truck jingle, like electric transit busses….something Daimler designers have labeled the “banshee”.

I’m looking for the audio file but here’s a CNBC article with embedded video file along the same line.

www.cnbc.com

Motor City meets a new test in the EV transition: Keeping gearheads behind the wheel

The Detroit automakers are going to have to balance traditional muscle car performance with electrification to maintain their most loyal buyers and fans.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

We still have old relatives who live the best of the past in the vehicles owned & driven. I guess we’re turning into our parents and grandparents!
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Nice article. Thanks for the link. Hard to pinpoint the reason for declining sales when Covid stopped production volumes and the prices went up 20-30 grand for vehicles. I agree that "driver engagement" is the key and whoever makes the best experience is going to reap the benefits. I have 3 sons and two want to get a "performance" vehicle soon electric or not. The other has a kid on the way so that may influence the choice a bit more. Maybe I will sell him our 2019 Edge and upgrade myself. Win Win.
 
The internal combustion engine just got a dagger to the heart yesterday with California enacting a law to end selling new gas powered cars after 2035.
That’s only 13 years from now.

They can still buy, sell and drive used ones after that, but no more new ones.
New cars will have to be electric or hydrogen powered.

They are the largest car market in America, so what they say governs lot of policies and decisions in the rest of the country.
 
If you want a Mustang where you can still operate the radio and HVAC controls with knobs and buttons, you only have about one year left.
Whatever 2022’s are still available now and about half a production year’s worth of 2023’s to come.

I have a strong educated feeling the 2024 refresh will have the Sync 4, where those controls are almost all operated either by voice control or through the large screen.
I can tell you from experience, that screen is not easy to work when you’re driving.
It requires fine motor skills as opposed to gross motor skills, so more concentration is also required.

It demands more attention than the buttons it’s replacing, making it more dangerous.
The only safe operating mode while driving is voice commands.
That’s what’s in my wife’s Edge and I’m not a fan.
 
Don’t mean to highjack but as a follow up to above post, if anyone looking for a New “old fashioned” manual Mustang for both interior controls and shifting gears, before they become obsolete, we have a dark matter grey California Special available in Edmundston.

6 spd manual and active exhaust.

Photo from Ford.ca build and price.

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67 AGAIN said:
If you want a Mustang where you can still operate the radio and HVAC controls with knobs and buttons, you only have about one year left.
Whatever 2022’s are still available now and about half a production year’s worth of 2023’s to come.

I have a strong educated feeling the 2024 refresh will have the Sync 4, where those controls are almost all operated either by voice control or through the large screen.
I can tell you from experience, that screen is not easy to work when you’re driving.
It requires fine motor skills as opposed to gross motor skills, so more concentration is also required.

It demands more attention than the buttons it’s replacing, making it more dangerous.
The only safe operating mode while driving is voice commands.
That’s what’s in my wife’s Edge and I’m not a fan.
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I agree with the control change not feeling natural. While my Mustang and 2019 edge with Sync 3 have both manual and screen controls for many common features I can always reach without looking to adjust the core audio controls and heat/cool temp by hand. Maybe this has a lot to do with automakers wanting us to pay subscriptions for services on a monthly basis. Hard for them to remotely disable a knob or toggle switch if you do not pay. On the other side of the paid subscription story like home computers, with the right hacking software I am sure someone can/will buy a car, enable every feature then block it from updating.

I did notice on some leaked 2024 shots if they are accurate the steering wheel still has a lot of function buttons not seen on the dash anymore. Maybe that is a transition plan. I can work with steering control buttons well. Screen not so much.

My experience with voice controls are mixed. If you can get everyone else in the car to shut up while you say something then you have a chance. I classify it as a dangerous novelty.

Ford Pass is interesting. Makes your eyes bleed to read the terms and conditions document but in the verbiage when reading between the lines you can see where things are going. The information collected alone is crazy not including the controls they will impose. Almost thinking unless I own a cell phone and have signal I am not going anywhere in the morning. (My town has no cell service yet. 1 bar every 10 minutes as a blip and that is it). They say the trend is to "rent your life". Not a fan. Thankfully we have almost 60 years of Mustangs to pick from which should hold me over until my expiry date.

Ford Pass Terms
 
Some interesting comments and points so far.
So what happens to the Mustang world in the sense
of forums, clubs etc. does that world except the new electric,
no sound, no soul, any verson of a Mustang Ford produces?
Does it become divided? sorta like the Nationals in Moncton.
we know they don't like mordern muscle, so the separated them.

How do you feel about it? will it cause a rift here? will some leave?
Will new groups be created for the vintage guys? which could be pre 2028 lol.

To be honest I have more questions than answers and not sure how I will fell or what oru future looks like.
 
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