2026 Motorsports Season
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Verstappen is actually one of the few Pure racers out there.
Its not that he is not at the front, the current format of these cars
Have as much to do with engineers and algorithms than pure driving.
Drivers do not even control the electrical energy they have.
He has made more than enough money, he can walk away for 70 Million a year.
Besides hes not quitting racing, just F-1 Maybe.
Its not that he is not at the front, the current format of these cars
Have as much to do with engineers and algorithms than pure driving.
Drivers do not even control the electrical energy they have.
He has made more than enough money, he can walk away for 70 Million a year.
Besides hes not quitting racing, just F-1 Maybe.
67 AGAIN
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It’s how I see it as well.
He would have all my respect for walking away on his terms.
I’m sure the pure racers are having a hard time with this formula.
I’m guessing Hamilton and Leclerc are entertaining similar thoughts.
Meanwhile the large crop of new drivers, along with the longtime also rans, will stick it out and adapt because it will bring them fortune and fame.
67 AGAIN
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The Energizers battled the Duracells?
SVT4MT
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Just watched the highlights from the Craftsman Truck Series race at Rockingham, great race for Cole Butcher, qualified well, stayed in the top 15 all race and came home with an 11th place finish.
Ontario's Stewart Friesen also had a great race, and scored a top five finish.
Ontario's Stewart Friesen also had a great race, and scored a top five finish.
ended up with his first top 10 as some one above got disqualified
AC Bill
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If more of the the Prima Donna's were winning, they wouldn't be complaining so much. Hard to go back to beer after having drunk champagne. Many sports stars seem to get mad when they begin to lose. Huge ego's get in the way.
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I don’t think it’s about finishing positions as much as how the cars drive.
I’ve read some of his interviews and I get where he’s coming from.
They can’t push all out for a full qualifying lap.
They can go all out on one straight, then they have to back out to manage or recharge battery, to use it again somewhere else.
Sure this bunches the field and creates more passes during a race, which most of the crowd likes to see.
But it’s not racing in its purest form.
It’s not about having the nerve and the ability to out-brake a rival in a pivotal corner or being first on the gas exiting that corner anymore.
It’s more about who can manage a battery better, and when to use aero or not.
It uses different skills.
The rookies and younger drivers who have had less success have interest in going along with this as it opens up new opportunities for them to perform, achieve fame and have success.
But for the old school pure racers or pure drivers that learned and came from another train of thought this is counter intuitive and not what they get satisfaction from.
They get satisfaction from being able to push everywhere on track and managing that dynamic.
Not from being patient or holding back between such a turn and the other because that’s where your battery is recharging best.
I’m not judging the new way as good or better, bad or worse. I agree it’s different and a far departure from the previous way.
I understand that it’s not for everyone.
I’ve never raced but I have been on road courses as part of high performance driving events organized by racing schools.
I go to drive hard everywhere on track, not just sections of the track.
I know I would not return or have gotten involved so much in it if the cars I drove required that I drive them in similar fashion to the way the current F1 cars have to be driven.
All out on this long straight, now manage battery between this turn and this turn to use on next long straight.
It’s like linking a bunch of drag races back to back with short recovery drives in between.
It’s neither full on drag nor road racing.
It’s something in between.
I get where Verstappen and a few others are coming from in their criticisms.
I really don’t think it’s about their finishing positions as much as how much the driving has changed.
AC Bill
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"But it’s not racing in its purest form."
That's it in a nutshell.
F1 which used to be one of the purist, if not the purist, has fallen a long long way. It started it's slide for me at least, back when the cars were mandated to have ABS, and Traction control. Then the cars started getting larger and heavier. I wholeheartedly agree with the safety aspects introduced, but some penalties handed out for what I always considered just a part of racing, has become a bit too overzealous. Many I feel are now more about the expenses a team suffers from a contact, than driver safety.
That's it in a nutshell.
F1 which used to be one of the purist, if not the purist, has fallen a long long way. It started it's slide for me at least, back when the cars were mandated to have ABS, and Traction control. Then the cars started getting larger and heavier. I wholeheartedly agree with the safety aspects introduced, but some penalties handed out for what I always considered just a part of racing, has become a bit too overzealous. Many I feel are now more about the expenses a team suffers from a contact, than driver safety.
I have been reading alot the last couple weeks, trying to understand how this truely works,
Which I will get into later, your both right to a point,
But don''t fool yourself, Racing has a had tire and fuel management for years,
so drivers don't always push like we think they do, but they control this and pay the price if wrong.
New cars, they control somewhat, but engineers control this more than they do.
Some can even be adjusted in the pits by engineeers during a race.
But drivers live with what thier engineers do and what computers do.
Also with cost caps, whcih didn't use to exist fixing these problems are a far bigger deal than in the past
and more time consuming, I have a couple things to write, but fairly big, but will explain in better detail
Sad part is F-1 can fix some of it not, but most will have to be off season, they can't redo engines mid season.
to much time and cost attached to it.
Which I will get into later, your both right to a point,
But don''t fool yourself, Racing has a had tire and fuel management for years,
so drivers don't always push like we think they do, but they control this and pay the price if wrong.
New cars, they control somewhat, but engineers control this more than they do.
Some can even be adjusted in the pits by engineeers during a race.
But drivers live with what thier engineers do and what computers do.
Also with cost caps, whcih didn't use to exist fixing these problems are a far bigger deal than in the past
and more time consuming, I have a couple things to write, but fairly big, but will explain in better detail
Sad part is F-1 can fix some of it not, but most will have to be off season, they can't redo engines mid season.
to much time and cost attached to it.
As I have said, I have been doing alot of reading, so I am going to try and expalin it best I can.
50/50 power is not exactly true,, The engine produces 480-500HP
the rest comes from batteries. The FIA can set the parameters and the engineers then
program the computers, seems anywhere from 5 mega jules to 9 MG IE: 500hp
They can also control how fast you can use that power and how fast or slow it recharges.
the systems recharges in 2 ways, energy from braking, also energy from the engine
Like engine braking a tractor trailer. so let off gas or even downshift rev higher as you let off
this will recharge system fast.
Heres were it gets tricky, the software has algorithms which data logs in real time what you are doing and will adjust
itself as you drive, so it learns what you are doing, problem with that is if you lift suddenly, wheel spin , slide etc
this makes the computer think your harvesting energy and will change the program while you drive.
Drivers have no controll over this, the engineers do. Drivers only control, how fast they use the stored power
and how fast they regenerate the batteries.
Super clipping, this is when you run our of power in your battery on long straight, the program
automatically goes into harvest mode which the driver can not control and will slow the car on its own to recharge battery.
and worse if you slid or spun coming out of turn, the computer then trys to protect system, by slowing down.
hence what happened to Last weekend when colapinto car slowed down, even though he did not want it to
and bearman come on to him in striaght line at over 80kpm difference in unexpected spot.
Dangerous is not even the word, I have seen these cars live, TV does not do them justice in how fast the accelerate.
This whole system also does not allow full attack in qualifying where it shows up the most.
If you watched china, when Leclerc and Hamilton race head to head and they showed batteries
this was an honest battle with equal cars also programmed the same, so it does or can create some great battles.
problem is different cars with different programs, react differently in same situations.
the FIX, MY NEXT POST
50/50 power is not exactly true,, The engine produces 480-500HP
the rest comes from batteries. The FIA can set the parameters and the engineers then
program the computers, seems anywhere from 5 mega jules to 9 MG IE: 500hp
They can also control how fast you can use that power and how fast or slow it recharges.
the systems recharges in 2 ways, energy from braking, also energy from the engine
Like engine braking a tractor trailer. so let off gas or even downshift rev higher as you let off
this will recharge system fast.
Heres were it gets tricky, the software has algorithms which data logs in real time what you are doing and will adjust
itself as you drive, so it learns what you are doing, problem with that is if you lift suddenly, wheel spin , slide etc
this makes the computer think your harvesting energy and will change the program while you drive.
Drivers have no controll over this, the engineers do. Drivers only control, how fast they use the stored power
and how fast they regenerate the batteries.
Super clipping, this is when you run our of power in your battery on long straight, the program
automatically goes into harvest mode which the driver can not control and will slow the car on its own to recharge battery.
and worse if you slid or spun coming out of turn, the computer then trys to protect system, by slowing down.
hence what happened to Last weekend when colapinto car slowed down, even though he did not want it to
and bearman come on to him in striaght line at over 80kpm difference in unexpected spot.
Dangerous is not even the word, I have seen these cars live, TV does not do them justice in how fast the accelerate.
This whole system also does not allow full attack in qualifying where it shows up the most.
If you watched china, when Leclerc and Hamilton race head to head and they showed batteries
this was an honest battle with equal cars also programmed the same, so it does or can create some great battles.
problem is different cars with different programs, react differently in same situations.
the FIX, MY NEXT POST
So late last year, F-1 realized they now have sustainable fuel, which means they don't need electric power at all.
But hold on, because now power and $$ talk.
Audi, GM, ford and even Honda coming back in, is all because of this system.
F-1 Has and is the best, fastest and most high tech testing ground for 99%
of all these goodies on our cars, they all realized F1 will figure this out better and faster than anywhere else
they all want to have this for there road cars now.
SO FIA and FOM want these major manufacturers here with their abilities and large bankrolls.
F-1 is and an incredible growth from net flix drive to survive and multiple stars being involved.
They want this, problem is they don't want what might happen if this becomes as MAX said
Formula E on Steriods. fans start to turn away, so serious fixes are on they way.
These regulations were supposed ot be till 2030 last year they did agree to 2028
F-1 team can not design and build new engines for this year, so even with engine changes
that is 2027 at earliest. WIth cost caps and testing caps along with windtunnel time capped.
teams who got it wrong, will spend budget stabilizing thier system, while the ones who are closer
to right will be developing thier cars. so don't expect any major engine to power changes in 2026.
But hold on, because now power and $$ talk.
Audi, GM, ford and even Honda coming back in, is all because of this system.
F-1 Has and is the best, fastest and most high tech testing ground for 99%
of all these goodies on our cars, they all realized F1 will figure this out better and faster than anywhere else
they all want to have this for there road cars now.
SO FIA and FOM want these major manufacturers here with their abilities and large bankrolls.
F-1 is and an incredible growth from net flix drive to survive and multiple stars being involved.
They want this, problem is they don't want what might happen if this becomes as MAX said
Formula E on Steriods. fans start to turn away, so serious fixes are on they way.
These regulations were supposed ot be till 2030 last year they did agree to 2028
F-1 team can not design and build new engines for this year, so even with engine changes
that is 2027 at earliest. WIth cost caps and testing caps along with windtunnel time capped.
teams who got it wrong, will spend budget stabilizing thier system, while the ones who are closer
to right will be developing thier cars. so don't expect any major engine to power changes in 2026.
The Fix.
One thing that looks like they got right were the cars, they are able to follow
closer, pass when equal, inside and outside, the new active areo is better than
what they were doing last year.
The simple fix for this year is more control over when and where they can use the active aero.
Also lower the Mega Jules to 5 with fast regeneration and slower deployment,
this will mean less HP. as much as 2 seconds per lap, but more dirver control
less of what were seeing, and most likely some version if this is what we will see in Miami.
Future. Total new engine with more power and less electrical 20%, so the technology moves forward with out
acutally affecting the racing or for the purists like me, full power form a V-10 or V8 engine
that does not use any batteries and with that comes the racing we know with the sounds we miss.
With more work on sustainable fuels. Betting I say 80-20 split, guess we will see.
One thing that looks like they got right were the cars, they are able to follow
closer, pass when equal, inside and outside, the new active areo is better than
what they were doing last year.
The simple fix for this year is more control over when and where they can use the active aero.
Also lower the Mega Jules to 5 with fast regeneration and slower deployment,
this will mean less HP. as much as 2 seconds per lap, but more dirver control
less of what were seeing, and most likely some version if this is what we will see in Miami.
Future. Total new engine with more power and less electrical 20%, so the technology moves forward with out
acutally affecting the racing or for the purists like me, full power form a V-10 or V8 engine
that does not use any batteries and with that comes the racing we know with the sounds we miss.
With more work on sustainable fuels. Betting I say 80-20 split, guess we will see.
67 AGAIN
Enthusiast
So, we’re saying the same thing about the racing.
And I really think this is Max’s motivation for speaking out.
Not so much his finishing positions.
He has enough money and fame.
He’s widely acknowledged as one of the best drivers the sport has ever had.
He really doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone.
I believe he is speaking up on behalf of, to paraphrase your words, “racing in its purest form”.
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67 AGAIN
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Trevor, you’re not alone in describing yourself as such.
This is how I see racing as well.
I’ve already pretty much given up on F1 for the rest of the season.
I’m now as much, if not more, interested in seeing if Max holds true to his word and does walk away at end if season.
AC Bill
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No doubt, manufactures have used auto racing as a means to improve cars for decades. It has actually worked very well for them, and the public.
With the big push for electric powered vehicles the last several years, mainly from the environmental movement, activity on the track makes for great testing grounds. Unfortunately for automobile racing, in my opinion, this electrical power aspect has badly hampered the sport as it was intended to be.. I honestly tried to enjoy the Formula E, but even in spite of appreciating the talent of many of the drivers in the series, the cars themselves left a whole lot to be desired. Pretty sure if they raced electric golf-karts, I would have enjoyed it far more..
So far, with the 2026 F1 season really still just getting started, I do like some aspects of the engineering of the new cars, others I detest. Also the glitches some teams have had, have really taken away from the sport, as they haven't been able to fairly participate in the races. I thought having 11 teams would make it more exciting season than ever, but we are actually seeing less cars on the track then when there was only ten teams. Hopefully it will evolve quickly for those suffering, and we can get back to some good racing.
The backlash from fans and drivers, could have huge affects on the sport otherwise. The Drive to Survive Netflix series has just garnered a new, larger, fan base for F1, so as is, they could quickly lose them. Even Sky Sports and TSN has mentioned some concerns about this.
I sure wouldn't lose any sleep at all if F1 announced the battery/electric aspect was being scrapped, but so far it looks like the new regulation changes may mainly affect Mercedes. This has to be to please the other teams, and not the fans.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...it-regulations-and-tweak-to-qualifying-format
With the big push for electric powered vehicles the last several years, mainly from the environmental movement, activity on the track makes for great testing grounds. Unfortunately for automobile racing, in my opinion, this electrical power aspect has badly hampered the sport as it was intended to be.. I honestly tried to enjoy the Formula E, but even in spite of appreciating the talent of many of the drivers in the series, the cars themselves left a whole lot to be desired. Pretty sure if they raced electric golf-karts, I would have enjoyed it far more..
So far, with the 2026 F1 season really still just getting started, I do like some aspects of the engineering of the new cars, others I detest. Also the glitches some teams have had, have really taken away from the sport, as they haven't been able to fairly participate in the races. I thought having 11 teams would make it more exciting season than ever, but we are actually seeing less cars on the track then when there was only ten teams. Hopefully it will evolve quickly for those suffering, and we can get back to some good racing.
The backlash from fans and drivers, could have huge affects on the sport otherwise. The Drive to Survive Netflix series has just garnered a new, larger, fan base for F1, so as is, they could quickly lose them. Even Sky Sports and TSN has mentioned some concerns about this.
I sure wouldn't lose any sleep at all if F1 announced the battery/electric aspect was being scrapped, but so far it looks like the new regulation changes may mainly affect Mercedes. This has to be to please the other teams, and not the fans.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...it-regulations-and-tweak-to-qualifying-format
AC Bill
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Good news for Montreal fans.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/live-b...tandings-and-highlights-for-races-this-season
https://www.skysports.com/f1/live-b...tandings-and-highlights-for-races-this-season
True about Max, we will see.
He said he will stay until end of year.
I suspect hes not going far, you are still talking to years
$140 million in salary plus endorsements.
No question Max is one of the best of all time.
Not sure the hit F1 takes and how much the new fan cares.
But I am sure F1 does not want to lose its core fans.
were talking half a billion people,
They will make changes, to what degree they can do much this year,
we will see. Also if changing next years they will have to announce
soon as teams need massive lead time to develop
He said he will stay until end of year.
I suspect hes not going far, you are still talking to years
$140 million in salary plus endorsements.
No question Max is one of the best of all time.
Not sure the hit F1 takes and how much the new fan cares.
But I am sure F1 does not want to lose its core fans.
were talking half a billion people,
They will make changes, to what degree they can do much this year,
we will see. Also if changing next years they will have to announce
soon as teams need massive lead time to develop
